Some would, I don't think everyone would. I never did.Grayle wrote:And players would do this, too. They have before.Wyvern wrote:The biggest issue with starting out with gold is we would have people rolling up countless characters to farm cash from them.
This isn't a campaign thing. This is a D&D thing, and by extension, a NWN2 thing. This isn't a game where you start out at "level 0" and then begin learning from nothing. Besides, the starting quests give you what you need to outfit yourself.Stormknife wrote: By that logic, wizards shouldn't even be allowed to start with spells in their books...spellbooks and scrolls aren't cheap, relatively speaking.
Some of us don't have a hell of a lot of choice. I've made it out of Southern Cear all of twice. Every other time I've tried to transition from the actual city into the northern zone (the one with the wolves, Laul, Ealden, etc.), NWN2 has crashed.Yes, V. We do. I am level 5. I have never done any of the wolf quests. Or boars. Or bear. Some people have only done that one. *shrug* Go figure.
I fail to see the connection. Yeah, people are stupid, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize "Hey, big heavy sticks can be used to smack people around".As for the argument that any idiot can get themselves a big stick, look at the warnings on chainsaws and tell me that's true.
Are magic weapons even in the game yet?Tell me, seriously, is there anyone who is still running around with nothing? Or do you all have several thousand in gold now and plus 1 and plus 2 weapons?
That's not a bad idea.EvilPyrate wrote:put a pile of sticks outside the mistyvale that would allow any character to pick up a club or staff with 0 gold value.
So because everyone suffers from it, nothing should be done to account for it? That makes no sense. You're even saying that a pile-o-clubs outside the inn is reasonable. I somehow missed saying it in my last reply, so I'm saying it here: that'd be fine by me.Grayle wrote:Game crashes and lock-ups can't really be considered part of this debate. It is unavoidable at the moment, and everyone is suffering from it.
Yes, that's me...out to tear down Dasaria and everything within it. Fear me, for lo, I am the destroyer of worlds. Hardly.Stormknife, it seems like you are out to bash everything.
I do blame Obsidian. But that doesn't mean that something couldn't be done to at least help alleviate the problem. They can't fix it, but they can make it easier to cope wtih.The crashing... you can blame the Obsidian, not Dasarian devs.
I've seen +1 weapons for nearly 5000 coins, and I'll be dead honest with you, my character has about 150, if that gold right now. 5000 is way off the radar for me at the moment. I can't even conceive having that much for one. I haven't seen +2 weapons, and this is only at merchants mind you, because I can't hunt anything without being in a group. Das1, that was handled a bit differently. Yes, there were areas (koalisk immediately comes to mind) where you essentially HAD to group. However, beetles, you did fairly okay on your own as well as kobolds, wolves, goblins, etc.Tell me, seriously, is there anyone who is still running around with nothing? Or do you all have several thousand in gold now and plus 1 and plus 2 weapons?
I don't think he's bashing at all. Having heard him bash before, trust me, if he was, you'd know. Crashing is Obsidian, it is the game itself. He never said it was the Devs for Dasaria. We all know its a game issue, not a module issue.Stormknife, it seems like you are out to bash everything. Come on bud, look on the brighter side of the story.
The crashing... you can blame the Obsidian, not Dasarian devs.
I'm with Matt on this one. I rather like that idea.put a pile of sticks outside the mistyvale that would allow any character to pick up a club or staff with 0 gold value.
Point. And we know this is a game issue, but it does make it rather annoying to put 4-5 quests in your journal, game crashes or server crashes and they're wiped, and you have to do them over. I'm talking about getting to level 5 consecutively, doing each quest only one time. ONCE. And I know this won't be a solvable problem until Obsidian does something about it.Yes, V. We do. I am level 5. I have never done any of the wolf quests. Or boars. Or bear. Some people have only done that one. *shrug* Go figure.
Some of us don't have a hell of a lot of choice. I've made it out of Southern Cear all of twice. Every other time I've tried to transition from the actual city into the northern zone (the one with the wolves, Laul, Ealden, etc.), NWN2 has crashed.
You apparently failed your spot check on humor/sarcasm. The obvious (I thought) inference to be made was that no, not any idiot is actually capable of getting himself a decent stick.Stormknife wrote:I fail to see the connection. Yeah, people are stupid, but it doesn't take a brain surgeon to realize "Hey, big heavy sticks can be used to smack people around".As for the argument that any idiot can get themselves a big stick, look at the warnings on chainsaws and tell me that's true.
It's been said in other posts on the forums that the base loot tables that shipped with NWN2 have not been changed, so there's no reason that there wouldn't be magic weapons in the game. If you can find it in the single player campaign, you can find it here.Are magic weapons even in the game yet?
What I am saying is perfectly sensible. It is also incredibly simple and difficult at the same time: Be patient and wait for the patch required to fix it.Stormknife wrote:So because everyone suffers from it, nothing should be done to account for it? That makes no sense.Grayle wrote:Game crashes and lock-ups can't really be considered part of this debate. It is unavoidable at the moment, and everyone is suffering from it.
I don't mean to be overly sensitive here, but this comment rubbed me the wrong way. I'd wager at least most of us in this conversation, including myself are at work.I truly despise the phrase "cry more n00b", but come on! If you'd spend the time playing and getting into the story that's being written here, you'd probably spend a lot less time on here complaining about something this pointless.
