(H)Elves really aren't all that handsome...

[Kell]

Hey hey,

We, the female population of Dasaria, are disappointed by the lack of pretty elven males. They all share the same bug-eyed faces and honestly; we could make due with them but only if we pulled a bag over their heads. We think this may be one of the reasons why male population is so low; nobody wants to be stuck with a face like that. Right?

Same goes for half-elves.

Is there a way for us to perhaps introduce handsome elves and half-elves? Because we've got chainmail bikini's, pretty elven girls, pretty hairdos to please the men but we, the women, want something to look at too.

Kind regards,

[Kell]

How about this one? Does it work like this?

http://nwvault.ign.com/View.php?view=NW ... tail&id=61

Updated eye textures (should work on all races that use P_HHM_Eye01)
10 female and 15 male human heads
5 male and 5 female Aasimar heads
6 male and 6 female Half Elf heads
3 Sun Elf Male and 5 female heads
3 Drow Male and 5 Female heads
2 hairs that replace the bald and mohawk female hair presets so that none of the NPCs that use those hairstyles will make your eyes bleed with horrible seams

[Arkalezth]

Does it work like this?

I don't know what you mean, but I use it on single player and it's good for all races (actually, I was surprised that it hadn't been added to Dasaria). However, I don't know if it's possible to avoid screwing up some of the existing characters by changing their heads...

[Kell]

Does it work like this?

I don't know what you mean, but I use it on single player and it's good for all races (actually, I was surprised that it hadn't been added to Dasaria). However, I don't know if it's possible to avoid screwing up some of the existing characters by changing their heads...

Nah, I didn't mean personal haks. I was wondering if the Devs could put it in the Das pack.

[Peregrinus]

Long time player, not a DM or Staff member in any way shape or form, so take this with a grain of salt:

Based on what I know of how NWN2 works (which is albeit limited but non-trivial) it's not that hard to add them in after the original heads instead of overwriting. That's work that a Dasaria based developer would have to do as the pack is set up strictly as a replacement pack. However, that would prevent folk's heads from being overridden as they are, but would require rerolls to use them or direct invervention by Wired to change what head is associated with the characters in Dasaria's database. This also means that there would be more options, even though its true that the original NWN2 heads are... ugly.

The big thing to remember that Dasaria plays above-board with third party content. We'd need to get permission from the content creator to use it on Dasaria as I see no blanket statement allowing third parties to redistribute on either the NWN Vault or the NWN2 Nexus sites for the file, so we'd have to contact the author to get permission to use the heads on Dasaria no matter what.

EDIT: I am apparently blind or something, the author does grant a blanket permission on the NWN Vault site:

This project is designed to provide updated resources that can be used by the community as well as the casual player simply wanting a better looking game. All assets are free to use, alter and distribute provided credit is given.

Seeing as we have a Third Party Credits thread specifically for that, the only major thing standing in the way of us using that head pack is someone re-writing it to be additions rather than replacements. I know it can be done, but I'm not sure how.

[Arkalezth]

Nah, I didn't mean personal haks. I was wondering if the Devs could put it in the Das pack.

That's what I meant, but as Pere explained, the new heads overwrite the old ones, at least by default (I'm not a modder so I don't know how to fix that). Ugly or not, this may end up with a character who previously had a beard to be shaved or just have a moustache after the mod is installed. Or to be one-eyed, or whatever.

If it can be easily added while avoiding those issues, I'm all for it.

[Kell]

Alright. Thanks for the input. Wonder what the devs have to say about it.

[Wired]

Easy but time consuming and repetitive. Could not be installed stock, would need to be cloned/renamed to prevent overriding existing models and conflicting with other custom content. A chore, not a technical problem.

For the record, the additional hair functions on all human-skeleton-having races; and I haven't made any elf heads, only humans, and equal parts men and women at that! Some day if I get time (and this may never happen) I'll point the ears and spread them to (h)Elves maybe.

This is a slow time of year for me because I'm spending a lot of 'off hours' in the woods rather in front of the computer.

[Kell]

Alright. Yes, I know about the hair, but it really is the faces. There are custom elven female faces, but males are stuck with it. That's why I asked

[Wired]

I'll try to make some time for it.

[Wired]

Alright, here's how this thing maps to Dasaria ... I would do a generic 'PW-friendly' non-overrding version, but we've already mapped all Elves to a common set of models and Aasimars to humans, so no-can-do.

There's probably some duplication of Elf heads here as I haven't done a visual check on them all, e.g., it looks like maybe EDF_Head01 and EEF_Head01 are the same model but have different textures, but the ears of ESF_Head01 look a little different than the first two, so I'll just convert them all as if they were unique and live with some slight duplication.

Head, Elf Female, Drow becomes Head, Elf Female
P_EDF_Head01.MDB > P_EEF_Head201.MDB
P_EDF_Head02.MDB > P_EEF_Head202.MDB
P_EDF_Head03.MDB > P_EEF_Head203.MDB
P_EDF_Head04.MDB > P_EEF_Head204.MDB
P_EDF_Head05.MDB > P_EEF_Head205.MDB

Head, Elf Female, Moon becomes Head, Elf Female
P_EEF_Head01.MDB > P_EEF_Head206.MDB
P_EEF_Head02.MDB > P_EEF_Head207.MDB
P_EEF_Head03.MDB > P_EEF_Head208.MDB
P_EEF_Head04.MDB > P_EEF_Head209.MDB
P_EEF_Head05.MDB > P_EEF_Head210.MDB
P_EEF_Head06.MDB > P_EEF_Head211.MDB
P_EEF_Head07.MDB > P_EEF_Head212.MDB
P_EEF_Head08.MDB > P_EEF_Head213.MDB

Head, Elf Female, Sun becomes Head, Elf Female
P_ESF_Head01.MDB > P_EEF_Head214.MDB
P_ESF_Head02.MDB > P_EEF_Head215.MDB
P_ESF_Head03.MDB > P_EEF_Head216.MDB
P_ESF_Head04.MDB > P_EEF_Head217.MDB
P_ESF_Head05.MDB > P_EEF_Head218.MDB

Head, Elf Female, Wood becomes Head, Elf Female
P_EWF_Head01.MDB > P_EEF_Head219.MDB
P_EWF_Head02.MDB > P_EEF_Head220.MDB
P_EWF_Head03.MDB > P_EEF_Head221.MDB

Head, Elf Male, Drow becomes Head, Elf Male
P_EDM_Head01.MDB > P_EEM_Head201.MDB
P_EDM_Head02.MDB > P_EEM_Head202.MDB
P_EDM_Head03.MDB > P_EEM_Head203.MDB

Head, Elf Male, Moon becomes Head, Elf Male
P_EEM_Head01.MDB > P_EEM_Head204.MDB
P_EEM_Head02.MDB > P_EEM_Head205.MDB
P_EEM_Head03.MDB > P_EEM_Head206.MDB
P_EEM_Head04.MDB > P_EEM_Head207.MDB
P_EEM_Head05.MDB > P_EEM_Head208.MDB
P_EEM_Head06.MDB > P_EEM_Head209.MDB
P_EEM_Head07.MDB > P_EEM_Head210.MDB
P_EEM_Head10.MDB > P_EEM_Head211.MDB

Head, Elf Male, Sun becomes Head, Elf Male
P_ESM_Head01.MDB > P_EEM_Head212.MDB
P_ESM_Head02.MDB > P_EEM_Head213.MDB
P_ESM_Head03.MDB > P_EEM_Head214.MDB

Head, Elf Male, Wood becomes Head, Elf Male
P_EWM_Head01.MDB > P_EEM_Head215.MDB
P_EWM_Head02.MDB > P_EEM_Head216.MDB
P_EWM_Head03.MDB > P_EEM_Head217.MDB

Head, Half-Elf Female becomes Head, Half-Elf Female
P_EHF_Head01.MDB > P_EHF_Head201.MDB
P_EHF_Head02.MDB > P_EHF_Head202.MDB
P_EHF_Head03.MDB > P_EHF_Head203.MDB
P_EHF_Head04.MDB > P_EHF_Head204.MDB
P_EHF_Head05.MDB > P_EHF_Head205.MDB
P_EHF_Head06.MDB > P_EHF_Head206.MDB

Head, Half-Elf Male becomes Head, Half-Elf Male
P_EHM_Head01.MDB > P_EHM_Head01.MDB
P_EHM_Head02.MDB > P_EHM_Head02.MDB
P_EHM_Head03.MDB > P_EHM_Head03.MDB
P_EHM_Head04.MDB > P_EHM_Head04.MDB
P_EHM_Head05.MDB > P_EHM_Head05.MDB
P_EHM_Head06.MDB > P_EHM_Head06.MDB

Head, Aasimar, Female becomes Head, Human, Female
P_HAF_Head01.MDB > P_HHF_Head211.MDB
P_HAF_Head02.MDB > P_HHF_Head212.MDB
P_HAF_Head03.MDB > P_HHF_Head213.MDB
P_HAF_Head04.MDB > P_HHF_Head214.MDB
P_HAF_Head05.MDB > P_HHF_Head215.MDB

Head, Aasimar, Male becomes Head, Human, Male
P_HAM_Head01.MDB > P_HHM_Head217.MDB
P_HAM_Head02.MDB > P_HHM_Head218.MDB
P_HAM_Head03.MDB > P_HHM_Head219.MDB
P_HAM_Head04.MDB > P_HHM_Head220.MDB
P_HAM_Head05.MDB > P_HHM_Head221.MDB

Head, Human, Female becomes Head, Human, Female
P_HHF_Head01.MDB > P_HHF_Head201.MDB
P_HHF_Head02.MDB > P_HHF_Head202.MDB
P_HHF_Head03.MDB > P_HHF_Head203.MDB
P_HHF_Head04.MDB > P_HHF_Head204.MDB
P_HHF_Head05.MDB > P_HHF_Head205.MDB
P_HHF_Head06.MDB > P_HHF_Head206.MDB
P_HHF_Head07.mdb > P_HHF_Head207.mdb
P_HHF_Head08.MDB > P_HHF_Head208.MDB
P_HHF_Head09.MDB > P_HHF_Head209.MDB
P_HHF_Head10.MDB > P_HHF_Head210.MDB

Head, Human, Male becomes Head, Human, Male
P_HHM_Head01.MDB > P_HHM_Head201.MDB
P_HHM_Head02.MDB > P_HHM_Head202.MDB
P_HHM_Head03.MDB > P_HHM_Head203.MDB
P_HHM_Head04.MDB > P_HHM_Head204.MDB
P_HHM_Head05.MDB > P_HHM_Head205.MDB
P_HHM_Head06.MDB > P_HHM_Head206.MDB
P_HHM_Head07.MDB > P_HHM_Head207.MDB
P_HHM_Head08.MDB > P_HHM_Head208.MDB
P_HHM_Head09.MDB > P_HHM_Head209.MDB
P_HHM_Head10.MDB > P_HHM_Head210.MDB
P_HHM_Head12.MDB > P_HHM_Head212.MDB
P_HHM_Head13.MDB > P_HHM_Head213.MDB
P_HHM_Head14.MDB > P_HHM_Head214.MDB
P_HHM_Head15.MDB > P_HHM_Head215.MDB
P_HHM_Head16.MDB > P_HHM_Head216.MDB

Human-like Female Hair becomes Human-like Female Hair
P_HHF_Hair15.MDB > P_HHF_Hair215.MDB
P_HHF_Hair17.MDB > P_HHF_Hair217.MDB

[Kell]

Alright. Is there anything I can do to help out?.. I mean, as far as my non-toolset-knowledge can help out? Or is there anything else I can do to help with?

[Wired]

[Kell]

Consider it done.

[Arkalezth]

Bug (I guess) report:

Wood and wild elves don't have access to the new faces. Sun and drow don't either, but their custom counterparts (Iridoryan and Tel'gothrim) do.